Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/21/2002 03:04 PM House HES

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HB 252-STANDARD OF CARE FOR CINA SERVICES                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-16, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Technical  difficulties precluded  taping the  first moments  of                                                               
the reconvened hearing.]                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON announced the next  order of business, HOUSE BILL NO.                                                               
252, "An  Act relating  to the  construction of  certain statutes                                                               
relating to children; relating to  the scope of duty and standard                                                               
of care for persons who  provide services to certain children and                                                               
families; and  providing for an  effective date."   Attention was                                                               
drawn  to the  unresolved issue  of  whether language  in HB  252                                                               
creates a liability for the state.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Taping begins at this point.]                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL suggested  the  House Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee (HJUD) should review the bill for this reason.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN  COX,  Chief  Assistant Attorney  General,  Civil  Division                                                               
(Juneau), Department of Law, said it would be fine with her.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0042                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL moved  to  adopt  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS) for  HB 252,  22-LS0454\O, Lauterbach,  2/20/02.                                                               
There being no objection, Version O was adopted.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL moved  to adopt  Amendment 1,  which read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, Line 10:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Delete line 10 and insert:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     *Sec. 9. AS 47.10.960 is amended to read:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 47.10.960.  Civil liability  [DUTY AND STANDARD OF                                                                
     CARE] not created.  Failure  to comply with a provision                                                                
     of this title or a  regulation adopted under this title                                                                  
     is  not a  basis for  civil liability,  but may  be the                                                                  
     basis for employee  discipline or administrative action                                                                  
     authorized  by law  [NOTHING IN  THIS  TITLE CREATES  A                                                                  
     DUTY OR STANDARD  OF CARE FOR SERVICES  TO CHILDREN AND                                                                    
     THEIR FAMILIES BEING SERVED UNDER AS 47.10].                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   COGHILL  explained   that   this  language   was                                                               
suggested  by  the  Department  of   Law.    The  department  had                                                               
suggested two versions,  and he'd selected the  one he preferred.                                                               
He indicated a HJUD hearing would be requested.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0105                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA moved to adopt Amendment 2, which read:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 8-9:                                                                                                         
          Delete "available for the purpose"                                                                                    
          Insert "identified by the department for the                                                                          
     specific  purpose  of   intensive  family  preservation                                                                    
     services"                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, lines 26-27:                                                                                                       
          Delete "the purpose, provide intensive family                                                                         
     preservation services on a statewide basis"                                                                                
          Insert "intensive family preservation services,                                                                       
     develop  and  implement intensive  family  preservation                                                                    
     services  systematically   and  over  time,   with  the                                                                    
     ultimate   goal    of   providing    intensive   family                                                                    
     preservation services on a statewide basis."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 31:                                                                                                           
          Following "awarded", insert "or renewed"                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 1-10:                                                                                                         
          Delete subsections (b) and (c)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, line 19:                                                                                                           
          Delete "persistently" and "but provided"                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, lines 26-28:                                                                                                       
          Delete wording under (v) and replace with "are                                                                        
     provided  on   a  time  limited   basis  by   a  single                                                                    
     caseworker  whose   caseload  is  congruent   with  the                                                                    
     intensive   family   preservation  services   standards                                                                    
     established  by the  Child Welfare  League of  America.                                                                    
     Caseloads  should   be  kept  low  to   allow  for  the                                                                    
     necessary  intense   level  of  interaction   with  the                                                                    
     family.  Services should be  most intensive at the time                                                                    
     of a crisis."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA noted her  appreciation for the committee's                                                               
willingness  to have  this discussion.   She  explained that  the                                                               
model [called  for in Version  O] is entirely different  from the                                                               
one in place.   The names sound the same  - "family preservation"                                                               
and  "intensive  family  preservation"   -  but  the  models  are                                                               
distinctly  different.   Amendment 2  has  six parts.   She  drew                                                               
attention to  the first part  of Amendment 2, pertaining  to page                                                               
2, lines  8-9, of Version O.   She explained that  its purpose is                                                               
to  ensure that  people  differentiate  between intensive  family                                                               
preservation  services and  other  types  of family  preservation                                                               
services.  She added, "It was told  to me it was important to put                                                               
this in."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0155                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA   explained  that   the  second   part  of                                                               
Amendment 2 pertains to page 3,  line 26-27.  The rationale is to                                                               
allow the state to systematically  put this program in place over                                                               
time.  The third part of Amendment  2 changes page 3, line 31, of                                                               
Version O, "for  obvious reasons."  The fourth  part of Amendment                                                               
2, addressing page 4, lines  1-10, streamlines language following                                                               
a  discussion   with  the  [Department   of  Health   and  Social                                                               
Services].   The fifth part  of Amendment  2 pertains to  page 5,                                                               
line  19,  and is  included  because  "persistently" was  legally                                                               
troubling and "but provided" needed to be removed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0393                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
NATE MOHATT, Staff to Representative  Sharon Cissna, Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, in  response to some  confusion, clarified  that the                                                               
fifth part  of Amendment 2  deletes both "persistently"  and "but                                                               
provided".   The  amended  language would  read  "offered at  the                                                               
family's option".                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0465                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA advised  members  that the  sixth part  of                                                               
Amendment 2, which  addresses page 5, lines 26-28,  Version O, is                                                               
included to bring in national standards.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  removed his  objection.   There being  no objection,                                                               
Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0564                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON turned  attention to a draft fiscal  note prepared by                                                               
Theresa  Tanoury,   Director,  Division   of  Family   and  Youth                                                               
Services, Department of  Health and Social Services.   The fiscal                                                               
note included $80,000  for FY 03, and $50,000 for  each FY 04 and                                                               
FY 05.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0651                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ELMER LINDSTROM,  Deputy Commissioner,  Department of  Health and                                                               
Social  Services,  indicated  the  department  could  revise  the                                                               
fiscal note by the morning of  February 22.  He stated that there                                                               
would  be  some  language  changes  on page  2,  related  to  the                                                               
appropriation language,  to make the fiscal  note consistent with                                                               
[Amendment  2].   The  amount  of  the  fiscal note  will  remain                                                               
unchanged, he offered.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked about passing the  bill out with a draft fiscal                                                               
note pending the approved version.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0651                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDSTROM replied that Chair  Dyson would be given the fiscal                                                               
note by the morning of February 22.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON stated that  he did not want to hold  the bill up for                                                               
another week.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDSTROM suggested language, "[A]  fiscal note in the amount                                                               
of  $80,000 to  [be] prepared  by  the Department  of Health  and                                                               
Social  Services and  delivered to  the committee  by 10:00  a.m.                                                               
tomorrow."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0668                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL moved to report CSHB 252 [version 22-                                                                    
LS0454\O, Lauterbach, 2/20/02, as  amended] out of committee with                                                               
individual recommendations  and the accompanying,  pending fiscal                                                               
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON added, "And the  understanding that we are asking for                                                               
a [House Judiciary Standing Committee] referral, correct?"                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied, "Correct."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There being no  objection, CSHB 252(HES) was reported  out of the                                                               
House Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

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